tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995754777906978314.post4233961355235381317..comments2023-10-20T05:56:15.365-07:00Comments on Evolving Health: No, Dr. Gupta, hummingbird fuel is not "toxic"daviddespain.secrethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13271527839470084409noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995754777906978314.post-10321767287624700192013-03-02T11:50:14.764-08:002013-03-02T11:50:14.764-08:00if sugar is really toxic, then a lot more people w...if sugar is really toxic, then a lot more people would be dead. Even I with my basic education in biology and human physiology know that it's all about the DOSE i.e. Amount ingested.. and in fact the body requires energy. Jeanninehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15993195224327501364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995754777906978314.post-19771309713247022872012-07-27T13:06:24.871-07:002012-07-27T13:06:24.871-07:00Well, of course, Krieger is right. There's so...Well, of course, Krieger is right. There's something wrong with the question. My blogpost at http://wp.me/16vK0 discusses the fact that it is no a fallacy so much as it is screwy but it is based on nutrition researchers saying that "the type of carbohydrate is more important than how much carbohydrate" usually having fructose in mind. "more important" is weird because fructose is a carbohydrate. The post shows that, insofar as you can take the question seriously, B. is the better choice. The post does, however, tell you how to reduce fructose.feinmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15255697993561879086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995754777906978314.post-7092142100903952362012-07-24T03:54:11.619-07:002012-07-24T03:54:11.619-07:00It's called Occam's Razor. Or you could th...It's called Occam's Razor. Or you could think of it as a power series. I'm simply asking: if you could theoretically do only one thing, A or B, which would be better? There are many other choices but in a thought experiment you imagine these to be held constant or to be the higher order terms in a power series. In fact, Krauss's 2006 experiment is really like A. and Stanhope, et al is like B. You can see which makes a bigger difference. Choice D is you don't want to play.feinmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15255697993561879086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995754777906978314.post-78581386108258623412012-07-23T21:56:54.972-07:002012-07-23T21:56:54.972-07:00Feinman, your "thought experiment" is es...Feinman, your "thought experiment" is essentially a false trichotomy...same thing as a false dichotomy except you've abitrarily limited it to 3 choices rather than 2, when in fact there are many more. This is why you aren't getting answers...because you're committing a common logical fallacy.James Kriegerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17172379094774212375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995754777906978314.post-65858268863366725592012-07-16T20:04:21.574-07:002012-07-16T20:04:21.574-07:00Oh, and for self-plug. I listed including "he...Oh, and for self-plug. I listed including "healthy" in a scientific discussion is one sign of a flawed work in my latest post: http://wp.me/16vK0feinmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15255697993561879086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995754777906978314.post-80121799738847124382012-07-16T20:01:58.682-07:002012-07-16T20:01:58.682-07:00Thanks for the plug and I am certainly ready to st...Thanks for the plug and I am certainly ready to straighten out Dr. Gupta. Of course, one of the problems is what to do with Drs. Sievenpiper, de Souza, and Jenkins, who worry about the "problem of general overconsumption," calories, calories, calories, and "Guidelines on healthy eating encourage." Have we benefitted from guidelines on "healthy." <br /><br />There's really only one question which is:<br /> Which is more important, the type of carbohydrate, or the replacement of carbohydrate with fat. In terms of an overall strategy, what is the first line of attack? So, as a thought experiment (no subtleties) what is the best big recommendation for general health?<br /><br />A. Change type of carbohydrate.<br />B. Substitute fat (any natural fat (no trans-)) for carbohydrate (any carbohydrate).<br />C. It doesn't matter.<br /><br />Those are the only three choices (it's a thought experiment). I asked this in other places but don't get too many answers.feinmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15255697993561879086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995754777906978314.post-77707861174859854742012-06-27T11:25:14.538-07:002012-06-27T11:25:14.538-07:00Personally, I like the hummingbird analogy. So can...Personally, I like the hummingbird analogy. So can I pay someone to come and try to steal my food several times a day? If I chase them away some of the time how many calories could I burn?Deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06221802899203000010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995754777906978314.post-52105508439651569592012-06-08T05:44:55.061-07:002012-06-08T05:44:55.061-07:00The hummingbird analogy is completely useless, you...The hummingbird analogy is completely useless, you should know better. Let's make some other comparisons shall we? Vultures eat rotten flesh of days old carcasses and flit off merrily afterwards, so we can eat roadkill? Insects eat off of animals stool, so we can chow down on that now? <br /><br />Remember, you compared an avian to a mammal so why stop there? Please don't sucker people in with child like analogies, it has no relevance whatsoever to a human metaboloic system or dietary requirements.Thothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06434264875026727698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995754777906978314.post-40177749399419820542012-05-30T06:56:06.995-07:002012-05-30T06:56:06.995-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.HoneyRazwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01365092529603707693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995754777906978314.post-47033353744464672102012-05-30T06:53:43.658-07:002012-05-30T06:53:43.658-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.HoneyRazwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01365092529603707693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995754777906978314.post-68947899567290533922012-05-04T05:13:21.256-07:002012-05-04T05:13:21.256-07:00I watched Sugar: the Bitter Truth last week. The ...I watched Sugar: the Bitter Truth last week. The message I got was NOT that ALL sugar is toxic, but Lustig reiterated several times that the issue was the increase in sugar consumption since the 70s in the form of soda and processed foods. <br />I certainly didn't walk away from it feeling alarmed about eating sugar in its entirety, but I now read the labels of my bread and sauce products to determine how much sugar is added so that I don't exceed recommended daily allowances.L K Meyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18032561213217752951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995754777906978314.post-66935520567682723032012-04-30T06:01:31.202-07:002012-04-30T06:01:31.202-07:00Great article!Great article!Egean Abs Doc Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09074382622383390741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995754777906978314.post-35251366521525373672012-04-26T16:56:50.179-07:002012-04-26T16:56:50.179-07:00James and Cliff (and unknown), thanks for visiting...James and Cliff (and unknown), thanks for visiting and for your comments.daviddespain.secrethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13271527839470084409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995754777906978314.post-37548572902611361292012-04-23T07:33:35.081-07:002012-04-23T07:33:35.081-07:00Thanks for the feedback guys.
In regards to the p...Thanks for the feedback guys.<br /><br />In regards to the princeton study I guess that's what I get for relying on news articles :)<br /><br />I don't get how HFCS could be pure glucose/fructose as it's made from starch so it is likely to have at least some degree of long chain sugars in it. I agree that more testing needs to be done though. According to this article almost 1/3 of commercial products with HFCS as first or second ingredient contain mercury so even if the calories are similar that's another reason to avoid it. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/587466Keenanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15710975434667834631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995754777906978314.post-43761223077794947652012-04-21T11:47:29.655-07:002012-04-21T11:47:29.655-07:00I would also note that the FASEB abstract you pres...I would also note that the FASEB abstract you present has never been published in a peer reviewed journal. The fact is the method that the abstract used to determine the amount of sugar has not been validated as an appropriate method to determine carbohydrate content; acid hydrolysis has the ability to create small molecules that would be inappropriately identified as sugars. HPLC is the more appropriate method and has been validated and used for several decades.James Kriegerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17172379094774212375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995754777906978314.post-80354327010073897232012-04-21T11:37:31.068-07:002012-04-21T11:37:31.068-07:00Cliff,
The Princeton study is seriously flawed, e...Cliff,<br /><br />The Princeton study is seriously flawed, especially the statistical analysis<br /><br />http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=19James Kriegerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17172379094774212375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995754777906978314.post-86176174382104990672012-04-21T10:23:56.212-07:002012-04-21T10:23:56.212-07:00HFCS and table sugar are not the same at least acc...HFCS and table sugar are not the same at least according to one study that tested commercial beverages. HFCS beverages contains 4-5x the calories of the listed value in the form of oligosaccharides(maltodextrin). http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/meeting_abstract/24/1_MeetingAbstracts/562.1 <br /><br />This one found a difference between weight gain between HFCS and sucrose fed rats "The first study showed that male rats given water sweetened with high-fructose corn syrup in addition to a standard diet of rat chow gained much more weight than male rats that received water sweetened with table sugar, or sucrose, in conjunction with the standard diet. The concentration of sugar in the sucrose solution was the same as is found in some commercial soft drinks, while the high-fructose corn syrup solution was half as concentrated as most sodas."<br />http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/Keenanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15710975434667834631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995754777906978314.post-370227147390664552012-04-02T18:08:21.748-07:002012-04-02T18:08:21.748-07:00Thanks for your comment, vlprince!Thanks for your comment, vlprince!daviddespain.secrethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13271527839470084409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5995754777906978314.post-91866344231882721712012-04-02T16:01:23.633-07:002012-04-02T16:01:23.633-07:00Excellent post. It's a shame that well reasone...Excellent post. It's a shame that well reasoned and reasonable arguments don't make the kind of headlines that the media want.vlprincehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17599039244716203792noreply@blogger.com